Middle Raged Punk

In which I share personal stories

December 2nd, 2008 by Jessika

I don’t often do posts solely with personal accounts or stories. Mostly I just rant about things, throwing in personal stories now and then. Today is a bit different. Today you get to hear about being a woman in a (mostly) male dominated office.

I’m the only woman who works in the team of hardware/tech support of about 5 guys. There are more people in our shop than that, but we work together the closest due to job overlapping. So I’ve spent lots of time around them, even though I don’t share an office with them. For the most part we get along. They are all big Republican supporters, know I’m very liberal, and often joke with me about it. I joke right back. I’m fine with that, considering I live in Oklahoma after all, and there’s not a time when I’m not around Republicans. The problem comes in with a smaller group of 3 guys who hang out, talk, and go to lunch together. More specifically, how one guy makes sexist comments pretty often, and the other two either laugh or agree.

None of these are directed at me, ever. It’s always about how some woman is usually hot or ugly. Like when Palin was picked to be the Republican VP candidate. I had to hear about how good looking she is, and how much better she looked than Hillary. Or take the most recent ones yesterday and today that pushed me into posting this.

I went to lunch with two of the guys, and he commented on Hillary being picked for Secretary of State. He said how she didn’t look bad for an older woman, but he couldn’t stand it when she opened her mouth. Then the conversation, between him and the other coworker, went into how she and Bill looked alike and how that it could be possible they were related. They were from Arkansas after all. Luckily from there the conversation turned to football, so that was the end of it. Today though, we were in the elevator and he commented on the young nurses that passed by earlier. He said it was a shame they would be gone soon. He wanted the men to be cared for someone who didn’t look like Nurse Ratchet. I tried to do a “WTF dude? Why does it matter what they look like, it needs just to matter if they can do their job.” He said “Well yeah, they can do their job, but you’ve gotta *look* at them.” I left the elevator and went to do my work ticket.

I can hear many people giving advice, like “Tell him to knock it off”. I tried that, didn’t work. “Tell your boss or file a complaint” I’ve got a valid one for sure. But there are so many issues to deal with there. It’s not like it would be a secret who did it. It would be a long process of retelling everything that was said, bringing back up the feelings, and quite possibly turning it into a he said/she said issue. Many of the ramifications and fallout from a complaint, whether formal or otherwise, would be the same as the easiest solution, “Don’t hang around him unless you have to”. But here’s my thoughts with that… Remember the study about women leaving science careers? The experiences I’m having are exactly like what the study found.

They talk about demeaning and condescending attitudes, lots of off-color jokes, sexual innuendo, arrogance; colleagues, particularly in the tech culture, who genuinely think women don’t have what it takes — who see them as genetically inferior. It’s hard to take as a steady stream. It’s predatory and demeaning.

Some would argue that I’m not hearing him say that since I’m a woman I don’t have what it takes or that I’m inferior. But back when I made the post about that study I mentioned feeling that I got the sense that I had to work hard to prove myself a good and hard worker. That feeling came primarily from him, not the other people in my office. Just like what the researchers said…it’s been hard to take as a steady stream, and as a result I’ll probably end up not hanging around them as much, which will lead to isolation. That part doesn’t really bother me so much, but often the guys will talk about work or ideas in their socializing. That’s what I’ll miss out on. I don’t need to be friends with my coworkers, but having people who can be my mentor, or to feel comfortable talking out a work issue I’m having, or even as someone they see as a person they respect and can come to…that would be really impacted. Even though with all the stuff I just talked about, it sure doesn’t seem like he really respects me anyway.

The biggest thing? I’ve been kicking myself over this a little bit. Thinking maybe I’m just being too sensitive and need to grow a thicker skin. Or being too emotional, since before writing this I was literally almost in tears thinking about it all. It sucks because it’s the woman who is in this exact environment who is made to feel like she is the wrong person and needs to change. Not the sexist who doesn’t know when to keep his stupid mouth shut.

I don’t know what I’m going to do yet. Probably just spend a little less time with them, but try to do some socializing so I don’t miss out on much work talk opportunities. I really need to get back into running during lunch anyway, and that will give me a good excuse to bail without seeming like an emotional killjoy. Just amazing how one person can really affect the people around them, without even realizing it.

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5 Responses

  1. Sarah Says:

    I’ll tell you what you need - more women in your workplace. That’s probably the only real solution that wouldn’t have all kinds of potentially ugly ramifications.

    You know, I’ve spent the last couple of days pissed off about this very thing. Nothing in particular set me off, it’s just sort of a general irritation about the way things are. I’m feeling extra-sensitive to all this stupid, insiduous sexism that seems to exist everywhere I look.

    Seriously. I feel like punching people. Starting with your coworkers.

    Oh, well…must just be my time of the month, right? ;)

  2. Dorothy Says:

    I hear you! I work for 2 male bosses and they tend to treat me like I don’t really exist. I didn’t realize how bad it was until they hired another guy and he actually treated me like a human being - imagine that! They don’t say much in front of me but I’ll overhear them say sexist shit to each other and their buddies when they’re in the office. I need the job so I can’t really say anything and, honestly, I don’t think I could change either of their minds. The fact that the younger of the two told me the Republicans (I’m in Idaho - so pretty much all Repub) were too far…wait for it…*left* for him. Eeek! So we don’t discuss politics either. Anyway, probably staying away at least some of the time will help you cope better. I think that some people just have to have someone to look down on (and women are *so* handy for that) and there is no way to change their minds. Like you, I wouldn’t report it because it would make the working environment even worse - even if they shut their mouths around you. Good luck!

  3. Annie Says:

    You are not too sensitive. The guy is a raging misogynist pig. Stay away from him.

    YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BE A GOOD GIRL. Being a good girl got you where you are today, being victimized by a bully. He has you where he wants you, in his control and ready for humiliation. Every time he talks about women as objects when you are around, he humiliates you. He gets off on it. They all do, it is a way to put you down and keep the power.

    Maybe he is a nerd with no social skills and thinks this is an ok way for men to behave. That is his problem, not yours.

    Or maybe he is a stupid pig. Either way, you do not have to endure his abusive behavior.

    Report him for sexual harassment. Does he talk about sex and/or women’s bodies in front of you at work? That is sexual harassment. It doesn’t have to be aimed at you. It can be aimed at any woman. His personal intent is to humiliate you. This is about him having power over you.

    You will probably lose if you complain. But the sexist pig will change his behavior. If he retaliates, you win.

    Look at your employee policy for dealing with sexual harassment. Follow the procedure for the complaint. Put into writing dates, times and events that bothered you. Document specifics and mention that you have hesitated to complain due to fears that he and your other male co-workers will retaliate because of your complaint.

    Ask that the sexist pig be transferred due to his unprofessional behavior.

    Stay on the offensive and do not let them blame you..the victim.

    There will be an investigation, probably a joke, but they will at least have to do some training in the workplace. And you will no longer feel like a victim.

    You said in your post that you “got the sense that I had to work hard to prove myself a good and hard worker.” Where did that feeling come from? Did being a good girl work? Do you feel like you are on an equal footing with your male co-workers, or are you still feeling like you are always on trial? Ask for a performance evaluation. Make sure it specifically deals with your work product.

    Contact your local NOW chapter or do a consult with a good employment attorney to get some advice how to proceed.

  4. dustbury.com » Yes, this still goes on Says:

    […] Jessika tells the story: I’m the only woman who works in the team of hardware/tech support of about 5 guys. There are more people in our shop than that, but we work together the closest due to job overlapping. So I’ve spent lots of time around them, even though I don’t share an office with them. For the most part we get along. They are all big Republican supporters, know I’m very liberal, and often joke with me about it. I joke right back. I’m fine with that, considering I live in Oklahoma after all, and there’s not a time when I’m not around Republicans. The problem comes in with a smaller group of 3 guys who hang out, talk, and go to lunch together. More specifically, how one guy makes sexist comments pretty often, and the other two either laugh or agree. […]

  5. Charles Pergiel Says:

    Stand up for yourself. Next time Mr. Yahoo says something you don’t like, tell him. Tell him in no uncertain terms that he is big fat jerk and if he doesn’t shut his fat yap, you’ll shut it for him.

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